Monday, December 11, 2006

 

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Over at UK Indymedia, there was a pointless, vindictive and stupid argument brewing in the comments section of the post "All men are responsible for stopping male violence against women". Scroll down to the hidden comments, and just follow those. Here's a quick taste of what you can expect to soil your eyes:
I know a man who posts here regularly under a variety of aliases and shares your family history, attitudes and writing style. He violently attacked a teenage girl less than half his age and size recently, a complete stranger, simply because she was teasing him. He couldn't control his temper as most macho obsessive sexually hung-up drunks can't. And then he tried to justify that as acceptable behaviour due to his childhood. "I'm a victim" seems to be the rallying cry of bullies. So I'm sorry your dad was a bastard but that doesn't excuse you becoming just like him.
Of course, when nasty personal debates drag the comments off-topic, you expect them to be hidden, especially when the moderators of Indymedia in the UK are so trigger-happy in this regard. But one shouldn't expect them to hide comments like:
There are many lies presented in the original article.

Myself and others have attempted to deal with this deceit and have been ignored while you quite happily publish what is clearly a dispute between two individual contributors which has nothing to do with the issues at hand.

Very disppointing. Very disrespectful. Very dishonest.
...and:
Thank goodness gwallan had the patience to deal with the stupidity of some of these comments. I certainly didn't. Hopefully someone will learn something. Most likely you will all just whine about how you're right, though.

And I agree about shame on the moderators, but I am hoping you're just very busy at the moment. But if you're going to post things like this Utopia Bold article would you please slap a big 'opinion only' warning on it because it has very little basis in fact.
It would appear that asking the moderators to stop a two-day long slanging match of abuse, while pointing out that the comments against the original post have formed a far more convincing argument than that original post, is enough to get your comment hidden. Agreeing with a comment like that also appears to go over the Indymedia UK editorial guidelines. Although, somewhat strangely, the last two quoted comments are not repeated, they're on topic, they don't discriminate, they're accurate, they don't advertise, they're attempting to stop disruption, and they're not reposts. So it's hard to see where the comments in question have crossed the line.

Previous applications of the guidelines by UK Indymedia often range from questionable to being blatantly biased. The Indy Media Watcher (one person, with no Zionist funding either) in this calendar year alone found examples of that here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here. Indymedia UK is a laughing stock, and virtually the polar opposite of free speech.

Comments:
Those who supported Indymedia UK and now are critical of its demise have always asked for the same thing; the application of the Editorial Guidelines in a fair way. The problem is the moderators have an agenda they like to push which leads to repeated inconsistency in the hiding policy.
We have seen this with subjects such as:

Womens rights in Palestine and Iran
Gay rights in Arab countries
Extremist Muslims
Cuba
Jews and Israel
The USA

If they stuck to the rules there wouldn't be a problem

ex IMc'er
+cue post from Sam Wilson trying to pretend that I along with all the others who raise concerns over IMUK are one person who posts 24 hours a day on multiple subject+
 
I confused, I thought the claim from Indymedia UK was that 'Sam Wilson' was a troll who is the same person as Raul/IMC monitoring Team/Indymedia GB/ex IMCer ?
 
"I confused, I thought the claim from Indymedia UK was that 'Sam Wilson' was a troll who is the same person as Raul/IMC monitoring Team/Indymedia GB/ex IMCer ?"

Sam wilson is one of the trolls personas. However, the name has now been liberated by someone else for the purposes of visiting this board.

Recycling is cool :)

"+cue post from Sam Wilson trying to pretend that I along with all the others who raise concerns over IMUK are one person who posts 24 hours a day on multiple subject+"

Correct - that is exactly what I'm asserting - because you have yet to post up the url to your new GB site, or your monitoring team or to all those actions outside the Cuban Embassy.

Now, what was your name when you were a woman organising a demo in the Socpa zone - and did you ever manage to get your camera fixed so we can all see the nice photos?

We should be told.
 
I'm the person who was on the receiving end of the personal slander/rantings of a mentally ill maniac, personally I couldn't give a fuck if they remained unhidden!

But in terms of the on-topic comments, I agree that anything that disagrees whith the totally mad and bigotted tone of the original post has been culled.

But hey what would I know I apparently attack 'little defenceless children' and I've hiding behind my sisters skirt for 2 months despite being at home most of that time... Zzz! I guess my charity work for the NSPCC is all a big cover and the fact I was stopped from fighting the 10 blokes the abusive women was using as a shield makes me a "coward" *yawn!*

The person posting (under various nyms) a lot of rebuttals to dissent to the original post is the same nutcase and has been blackballed by all the activists around him due to his slandering and threats and can be found (below) pretending to be a member of an anti-nuclear group just so he can slag off some activists. Strangely enough the very same day I rumbled him, he started issuing deaththreats again.

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/11/356148.html
 
The Indy Media Watcher (one person, with no Zionist funding either)

Perhaps I should ask the CIA for more funds, as Mossad never coughed up... See my earlier disclosure here.
 
Hello again 'Sam Wilson' nice to see you back ! IRONY ALERT !

Let me deal with a quote of yours,
"because you have yet to post up the url to your new GB site, or your monitoring team or to all those actions outside the Cuban Embassy.

Now, what was your name when you were a woman organising a demo in the Socpa zone - and did you ever manage to get your camera fixed so we can all see the nice photos?"

I don't run a GB site (whatever that is), I have no connection with the tourism industry.

I am not sure what a "monitoring team" is but again I don't have one so I can't help you there and lastly apart from once seeing some protests there I have no knowledge of any Cuban consulate or embassy.

I have been involved with protests within the SCOPA area in London but then so have many others so I am not sure what you are accusing me of. I have never pretended to be a woman ! (no honestly !)

For the record I was involved with the UK Indymedia site and continue to be in contact with individuals who still are.

I will continue to contribute to the is blog as I feel the Indymedia idea is still saveable however I will not respond in future to you as I feel you are part of the problem with Indymedia prefering to fall back on the rather tired tactic of calling all dissenting voices "trolls" rather than dealing with the important issues raised.

Goodbye Sam Wilson

ex IMC'er
 
I took a look at the post in question here and like The Watcher was confused as to why it was not hidden, it certainly breaks the Editorial Guidelines, however a little digging soon gave the answer. One of those throwing around the insults is an Indymedia moderator.
The problem of those who contribute to posts and comments also having the ability to edit or remove them is one that has never been clearly dealt with and as can be seen here still remains.
 
The Watcher

Are you going to sort out that wrong headed post or not.

You and gehrig seem to be some kind of conspiraloons, thinking that you can explain everything that gets posted onto your comments section by a process of guesswork.

Whoever your spammer was, it was not me.....


And whilst you might think that it gets at me leaving it up, it does little for your credibility.

;)

ex-IMCer - you are a patholological liar.
 
The Editorial Guidelines on their own are not strong enough to protect Indymedia UK because they are not applied in a fair and open way. When we moved to Mir one of the suggestions I made was to have the editing and hiding tagged with the name of the person who changed it. This was done on the Nadir site and it continues to operate very well still today.

ex IMC'er
 
You and gehrig seem to be some kind of conspiraloons, thinking that you can explain everything that gets posted onto your comments section by a process of guesswork.

You might notice that I've signed every post I've made here with my own name. And the same with the IMCs -- if I'm not willing to sign it, I'm not willing to post it. I know that goes against the nom-de-guerre bit that's such a part of indymedia chic, but there you have it. So you'll pardon me if I don't have much sympathy when you complain that people are guessing wrong about your identity.
 
"So you'll pardon me if I don't have much sympathy when you complain that people are guessing wrong about your identity."

Of course you don't have much sympathy - you were one of those making false allegations. The issue is this - indy media watch - the great watchdog of the indymedia brand has been notified that one of its posts is false, misleading and inaccurate - and several days later it is still up - and still unamended.

Not a lot of moral highground left now, is there?

Do as I say, not as I do is hypocisy in any ones book.
 
The issue is this - indy media watch - the great watchdog of the indymedia brand has been notified that one of its posts is false, misleading and inaccurate - and several days later it is still up - and still unamended.

You are damned right it is still unamended. In the presence of the logfiles which led to the original accusation, your "notification" is largely as worthless as your other contributions to date.
 
In the presence of the logfiles which led to the original accusation,

Yup - the IP you posted is a blueyonder account in Glasgow

So you're either a fool or a liar
 
or both :)
 
Or there is someone else posting under your handle, or it was the Zionists, or it was a covert black flag operation. or...or...or...

So why are you still here?
 
If the Watcher got it wrong, then he should change the post. I don't have access to his logs any more than you do.

But maybe it would help if you wrote a 2500-word essay like I had to to get you to hide a blatantly antisemitic post on UK Indymedia.
 
From: MIND CONTROL CENTRAL

MIND CONTROL CENTRAL –

Re: FEMINIZED U.S. MALES READY TO SURRENDER COUNTRY TO FAGS , U.S.A. SPERM COUNT DOWN 9.0%, , PENIS
LENGTH SHRINKS 1.2 INCHES. FEMINIZATION CAMPAIGN COMPLETE,
. EXPERTS PREDICT COLLAPSE OF
WESTERN
CIVILIZATION.

To: ALL DISINFORMATION AGENTS/NYT REPORTERS.

Goyim Stupification Index Rating: .78
Special Directive No. 12.468

1/23/2006 3:59:08 PM DIRECTIVE 45-54

SECURITY LEVEL: RESTRICTED/COMSPAN

DATELINE/TEL AVIV



BACKGROUND: THE CURRENT FEMINIZATION OF WHITE MALES IN
U.S.A. HAS LEFT COUNTRY RIPE FOR TAKEOVER BY NEW WORLD ORDER
FORCES. ECONOMY IS IN SHAMBLES. MILITARY IS FULL OF FAGS. 90% OF WHITE MALES WILL ACCEPT FOREIGN DOMINATION IN EXCHANGE FOR FULL MAKEOVER AND TWO PAIRS OF NEW SHOES.

LAST WEEKEND A SQUAD OF UPPLAA (UNIFIED PEOPLE’S PATRIOTIC
LIBERATION ARMY OF AMERICA) INFORMATION AND TRUTH GUERILLAS RAIDED A SEATTLE TV STATION AND BROADCAST PRE-RECORDED VIDEO TAPES DESCRIBING THE IDENTIFICATION OF FEMINIZED MALES AS FOLLOWS:

ANY ADULT WHITE MALE WHO CAN SAY YES TO TWO OR MORE OF THE
FOLLOWING IS CLINICALLY FEMINIZED:

1. USES GEL IN HAIR AFTER AGE 9,
2. DOESN’T CARRY CASH,
3. HAS GONE FOUR MONTHS WITHOUT WANTING TO KILL,
4. FELT OFFENDED WHEN SOMEONE REFFERENCED THOSE”FAGS ACROSS
THE
STREET”, 5. BIT HIS TONGUE WHEN HE SHOULD HAVE BEAT HER
ASS,
6. THINKS WAR IN IRAQ GOOD BECAUSE IRAKI FEMALES WERE NOT
PREVIOUSLY
ALLOWED TO ACT LIKE SLUTS AND GET LOW BACK TATOOS.

CURRENT TECHNIQUES DRIVING THE DOWNWARD SPIRAL OF MALE
FERTILITY RATES INCLUDE TWO NEW FOX NEWS BRAIN CHIP
IMPLANTS WHICH CONVINCE LOW IQ WHITE MALES THAT WOMEN REALLY SHOULD RECEIVE EQUAL TREATMENT.

THE PRIMARY VEHICLE FOR THESE IMPLANTS (Nos. 23.147 and
23.159)IS CABLE TELEVISION NEWS AND CHICAGO CABLE NEWS
COMMENTATOR NESTOR SANZHEZ. UNFORTUNATELY, AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF THE FEMINIZATION PROGRAM HAS BEEN THE PENIS SHRINKAGE AND THE SPERM COUNT DECLINE. NEW POLLING DATA
INDICATES A DIRECT LINK TO THE MANNER IN WHICH TV DEPICTS
WOMEN AS DOMINATING AND POWERFUL INSTEAD OF DOCILE AND SEXUAL AS NATURE INTENDED.

THE AVERAGE WHITE MALE OF AMERICA HAS NEVER BEEN IN A
CORPORATE BOARDROOM, A DISTRICT ATTORNEY’S PRIVATE OFFICE OR A
PRESIDENTIAL APARTMENT. HENCE, IT IS EASY TO USE TV TO PUT WOMEN IN FALSE AND UNREALISTIC POWER POSITIONS AND CONVICE FEEBLE MINDED WHITES THAT WOMEN DOMINATING MEN IS NORMAL AND NATURAL. NOTE THAT BLACK MALES ARE UNAFFECTED BY SUCH TV IMPLANTS, EXCEPT THAT THEY BEAT THEIR BI--- MORE
OFTEN.

DIRECTIVE: CONTINUE TO PUSH THE IDEA THAT THE BIBLE IS
WRONG AND THAT
NATURAL ORDER REQUIRES THAT WOMEN SHOULD RULE OVER MEN.
WORK ON
PRE-TEEN WHITE GIRLS TO PERSUADE THEM THAT A LOW BACK
TATOOS AND AN
ECSTACY HANGOVER IS CHIC AND REFINED. TELL THEM OVER AND
OVER THAT THE
ROLE OF MOTHER IS PROFANE AND FILTHY AND UNWORTHY OF THE
INTEREST OF A
SOPHISTICATED YOUNG WOMAN.

THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT SENATORS BOXER AND CLINTON HAVE
DETERMINED THAT
MEN ARE OBSOLETE AND WILL HENCEFORTH SERVE AS WORKER/DRONE
AND UNDERGO
AN ANNUAL MILKING TO STOCKPILE SPERM TO BE BRED WITH
MEXICAN FAST FOOD
WORKER EGGS. ALL WHITE MALES WILL RECEIVE A WEINER CHIP TO
ENABLE
MONITORING OF SEXUAL AROUSAL PATTERNS.

END.







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What the hell was that?
 
There are posts from mullah cimoc of a similar nature all over the web in the past few days. Most of them posted to blogs and news web pages.


I would guess men with white coats and giant butterfly nets are only a step away !

ex IMC'er
 
I mentioned in an earlier comment on mine on this thread how Indymedia UK is inconsistent in its hiding policy and there is an excellent example on the site right now.

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/12/358319.html

This post concerns a protest about some Cuban intelligence officers who were arrested in the US for spying. The report is full of innacuracies and anti American bias but that doesn't stop it being left on the site. Compare this with the posts that featured reports and photos about protests AGAINST the Cuban government, these were all quickly removed or hidden. A detailed report earlier this year concerning political prisoners in Cuba (held for nothing more than seeking democracy in their own country) was removed on the three occasions it was posted.
I think we can take it as read that the majority of Indymedia moderators hold a view that is Left of centre (I certainly do) but to show this level of support for a regime that has denied democratic elections to its people for over 50 years and has imprisioned people for no more than their views and calls for reform is a disgrace.
These are the people Indymedia should be supporting and reporting on.

ex IMC'er
 
“The Indy Media Watch blog is a travesty of inconsistancy and hypocracy - a den of misfits banned from indymedia sites around the world and huddling together like a little self help group for the terminally stupid.”

You’re on a roll today kid! You should do standup or something.
 
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