Friday, December 08, 2006

 

Vancouver Indymedia Served

The Canadian Human Rights Commission has initiated proceedings against Vancouver Indymedia.

Vancouver Indymedia sued by Human Rights Commission



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Vancouver Indymedia, largely interchangeable with BC Indymedia, has, on and off been one of the worst IMC sites of them all for a very long time. It would seem they are finally being taken to task on the matter.

So, will Indymedia's supporters lend their support to the fight for anti-discrimination and human rights - the charge of the Commission? Or will they complain about censorship and insist Indymedia is fine and this is part of some grand conspiracy to silence them.

One word: Accountability.

The much hated 'Mainstream Media' has it. The MSM are obliged to check facts, because upon failing to do so, they are held accountable for their errors. Despite claiming superiority, by remaining wide open and out of control Indymedia has failed to check facts or meet minimum standards of decency. Its supporters and organizers invariably deny accountability saying "we can't be held responsible". Well sorry, as I have always said, Indymedia either wishes to be a credible news organization or it doesn't. Right now... It isn't.

This case should prove very interesting.

Update: OHMS asks in comments, the source of these documents. They were sent to me by the complainant, who adds:
I append for the purpose of eventual removal one of the excerpts that formed the corpus of my complaint. The premise of this complaint is a contention that both individually and collectively, editors, management and regular participants of the internet publication and bulletin boards known as Indymedia, promote hatred affecting persons identifiable as Jews and/or as citizens of Israel.

e.g. From: http://bc.indymedia.org/newswire/display_any/17140
The zionists, it seems, are infatuated with blood. Tainted blood, that is, which they make to spread among large groups of the population of the world. These children are just the latest victims to be discovered, they are the recipients of this latest poisoned gift of the zionists…
Collectively, I feel that the postings were intended to disarm any who might post opposing substantiation or views; implying most explicitly that persons identifiable as Jews or Israelis are to be regarded with extreme dislike, suspicion and contempt and deserve no right of rebuttal.

Comments:
I think there's not much doubt that VanIndy has long had a problem with antisemitism, Holocaust denial, the Zionists in Jordan Thornton's cornflakes, and so on. But I really don't how action from the CHRC will do anything but reinforce their bunker mentality.

Especially when you consider how dead the site is. Take a look here and you'll see that it's a place that half a dozen people at most go to spew -- nour12 to spew Hezbollah and Nation of Islam, Jordan and Roboroborobo (Y2J) to spew about the Zionists in their shampoo -- and then be ignored.

http://ender.indymedia.org/?q=tracker

If anything, the CHRC bit is likely to give VanIndy a shot in the arm, because now posting antisemitic stuff will become an "act of resistance" against "government censorship," and you've seen in another recent thread how some people will defend complete Jew-hating Mein-Kampf-minus-the-swastikas crap if it makes them feel all resistence-y and anti-censorship-like and striking a blow against the conventional wisdom just like David Irving pats himself on the back for doing.
 
" you've seen in another recent thread how some people will defend complete Jew-hating Mein-Kampf-minus-the-swastikas crap if it makes them feel all resistence-y and anti-censorship-like and striking a blow against the conventional wisdom just like David Irving pats himself on the back for doing."

Your bias is showing heavily here. I think it may well be a step too far for some.

As will the fact that it is impossible to examine a powerful political lobby because to do so resonates with anti-semnitic tropes.

I'm against you using your ideological bias to effect censorship on the IMC network Mr. Gehrig. You can be the cheerleader for dead Iranians and more dead Iraqis and Palestinians.

I personally think its time it stopped.
 
I'm against you using your ideological bias to effect censorship on the IMC network Mr. Gehrig. You can be the cheerleader for dead Iranians and more dead Iraqis and Palestinians.

Note the oxymoronic nature of....well, a Brown Shirted moron.

And please, somebody tell me that this isn't a hoax.
 
While I believe that Indymedia is a failed project, I have problems with Canadian law that says they should be brought to try for “discrimination”. Any type of speech of law limiting speech is a bad idea. Holding them accountable when they slander and libel, I can dig that.
 
You can be the cheerleader for dead Iranians and more dead Iraqis and Palestinians.

* rolling eyes again *

You're just not very good at this, are you. You seem to have me confused with a neoconservative. Are you twenty years old, or is that just when your intellectual development stopped?

I'm against you using your ideological bias to effect censorship on the IMC network Mr. Gehrig.

You repeatedly miss a simple, clearly stated, easily demonstrable point, and it seems to be because you're letting your prejudices run away with you. You're so primed to think "Thuh Zionists all say X" that you can't let yourself hear what I say.

So, one more time for Sisyphus: I do not want Indymedia to be politically censored. I am not calling for political censorship of any form.

I do want Indymedia to be equally unencumbered by all forms of bigotry, rather than your suggested solution which wants Indymedia to be unencumbered by all forms of bigotry except one specially and specifically endorsed form, antisemitism.

Can you criticize Israel without falling into antisemitic rhetoric? Yes. And there are certainly aspects of Israel worth criticizing.

Can you criticize Israel's supporters without falling into antisemitic rhetoric? Yes. And there are certainly aspects of that worth criticizing too.

And can you criticize pro-Israel organizations without falling into antisemitic rhetoric? Yes, as long as you don't do it in the "they are the secret shadow government that rules all" framework. That is, by placing them in a context which does not single them out or exaggerate their power or treat them as if they're the only player in a game of many, many players. Even if you took out every reference to "the Jewish Lobby" in Landeman's piece, for example, you'd still be up against his presentation of whatever-you-call-it-next as an unstoppably powerful, unstoppably evil, unstoppably resourceful, unstoppably rich Bond Villain of an organization.

There's a simple truth here. Organizations like AIPAC would not be powerful if Israel didn't have broad, wide, and deep support among the American population, Jew and non-Jew. The US's support of Israel derives from, not some bizarre criminal international conspiracy of proto-pseudo-quasi-nazis, as the Indymedia panto has it, but from the clearly expressed will of the American people.

On Indymedia, to its discredit, that support usually gets parodied reductively as merely "zealous Jews and millenial Christians." But -- as I showed in that other thread, and as poll after poll demonstrates -- support for Israel in the American population extends far beyond religious fundamentalists of various stripes.

It's called reality. Maybe you could try some.

I personally think its time it stopped.

I personally think it's time you figured out what I'm actually saying rather than condemning me so bozodaciously for what turns out to be just your goggle-eyed rant-o-rama parody version of it. I left the other thread because you were doing some sort of strange shadowboxing with some bizarre straw man of your invention while ignoring my actual stance. If you can't address what I actually say here -- and you're already half a lap behind on this -- I'll do the same in this thread.
 
Any type of speech of law limiting speech is a bad idea.

Of course it is. But the stupidest of the stupid, (re: leftists) with their mindless and unceasing chants of "homophobia" and "hate crime" and "racist" etc, now have exactly what they wanted.

Their dreams of an Orwellian nightmare has bitten them on the ass.
 
In the interest of fairness, what's the source of those pictures? The link to the Commission site is just to the front page, and the site shows nothing if you put "Indymedia" in a search.
 
I think you are a complete twat "On Her Majesty's Butcher's Apron Service"

I don't think you've got one decent bone in your body Nazi boy.

Come ahead and engage...nancy boy :)
 
I want to be banned...let's see how long it takes Mrs Watcher to do so. Should be interesting to say the least.
Fucking hypocrites.
 
Still love you all by the way.
Big kisses all round
 
I appreciate the update, Watcher.
 
>Organizations like AIPAC would not be powerful if Israel didn't have broad, wide, and deep support among the American population, Jew and non-Jew.

And organizations like the NSDAP would not have been so powerful if the Third Reich hadn't had broad, wide, and deep support among the Axis population, Aryan and non-Aryan.

So what? That didn't make the Nazis be any less the evil, racist scum than they were. To imply otherwise is to indulge in logical fallacy, specifically an argumentum ad populum. It's a trick. Don't fall for it.
 
to indulge in logical fallacy

And where would we be without "experts" on logic?

http://pittsburgh.indymedia.org/news/2006/12/25408_comment.php#25463
 
>"experts"

Sneer quotes, yet another ad hominem.
 
nessie: yammity yammity yammity

Poor nessie. Still has his head so far up his ass on the antisemitism issue he can kiss it from the inside.

And, yes, nessie, that was an ad hominem, and if you expect anyone to believe that you don't fling ad hominem accusations around by the handful like condoms at a frat party, you're even more deluded than I thought. And that was an ad hominem too.
 
>that was an ad hominem too.

Indeed it was. And if gehrig expects anyone to ever believe any of his incessant prattle about the alleged anti-Semitism of "nessie," he would cite at least one URL to back it up. He hasn't and he wont, because he can't. There aren't any.

What's more, gehrig himself is a virulent racist himself. Pro-Semitism is every bit as racist as anti-Semitism. Anyone who believes that any ethnic group should be treated differently is a racist by definition. Whether that ethnic group is Jews, Aryans, Serbs, Hutus or whatever, is completely and totally irrelevant. A racist is a racist is a racist. All ethnic nationalism is racist by definition. Calling its critics names does not change this one iota.
 
* rolling eyes *

If nessie the antisemite wants to ever shake his reputation for antisemitism, he should start by repudiating antisemitism. As long as he remains unable to simply agree with the simple statement "I do not hate 99.5% of American Jews," then by Occam's razor, we can safely presume he's an antisemite.
 
I hate one hundred percent of all racists. I neither know nor care how many of them are Jews and how many of them are non Jews. Only a racist would care enough to try to find out. Only a racist would divide the world into Jews and non Jews. A racist is a racist is a racist. Down with them all.

Gehrig is a prime example. As long as he remains unable to simply agree with the simple statement, "Jews have exactly the same rights and responsibilities as non Jews, and should be exactly treated the same way," gehrig is a racist. So is anyone who believes that Jews should be treated differently than non Jews.
 
See? Ask him to say, "I don't hate 99.5% of American Jews," and he just goes yammity yammity yammity yammity. And you can look through that yammity yammity all day, if you want, and the one thing you won't ever see is nessie saying, "And by the way, I don't hate 99.5% of American Jews."

Why not? Nessie's antisemitism, that's why not.
 
Pro-Semitism is every bit as racist as anti-Semitism

Uh, dude, there is no such thing as "Semitism" and you are making words up.

Many scholars have dropped the hyphen from "anti-Semitism" (to create "antisemitism") simply to avoid confusing fools such as yourself who believe there is a Semitism to be anti toward.

Look into the history of the term antisemitism to understand its origin, and consequently how deluded you are. The term has only ever referred to Jews. Not "semites", Jews.

Somehow I doubt your opinion will change in the presence of mere facts however.
 
See? Ask him to say, "Jews have exactly the same rights and responsibilities as non Jews, and should be treated exactly the same way," and he just goes yammity yammity yammity yammity. And you can look through that yammity yammity all day, if you want, and the one thing you won't ever see is gehrig saying, "Jews have exactly the same rights and responsibilities as non Jews, and should be treated exactly the same way."
 
More yammity, still no "I don't hate 99.5% of American Jews."

Okay, nessie, you've done your attention whoring for the day. Now crawl back to that black hole called SF-IMC.
 
Sneer quotes, yet another ad hominem.

*snicker*
 
Evidently Lee Doyle a.k.a. nessie has now descended to the childish mimicry of someone else's phrasing style to make his point. He never tires of sinking to a new low.
 
Only a racist would divide the world into Jews and non Jews. A racist is a racist is a racist. Down with them all.

This will not go over well with nessie's IslamoFascist benefactors.
 
More yammity, still no, "Jews have exactly the same rights and responsibilities as non Jews, and should be treated exactly the same way."

Why can this guy not bring himself to declare that Jews have a right to be treated as equals? Could it be that, like Hitler before him, he believes that Jews are a special case? If not, why doesn't he just come out and say so.
 
Whatever else you're a waste of, nessie, and I imagine the list is quite extensive, you're also a waste of time.

As I've said many times, there's no point arguing about the middle east with a blatant antisemite like you, nessie. Want me to answer your question? Prove that you're not an antisemite. Start with this: say "I don't hate 99.5% of American Jews." Until you can do that, I'd no sooner discuss the middle east with you than with your fellow antisemitic fuckwit David Duke, and I treat you with the same well-earned disdain.
 
It wasn't a question. It was a statement. Gehrig can be considered a racist until we hear him say, "Jews have exactly the same rights and responsibilities as non Jews, and should be treated exactly the same way."

>you're . . . a waste of time.

I he honestly believes this, and it's not just another lie told for effect, why does he spend so much time chasing "nessie" around the network like a love sick puppy? Does he *like* wasting time, or what?
 
like a love sick puppy?

You mean, like chasing "Smashy" around the globe?

Remember where you're at, nessie. Your constant appearance at *this* site speaks volumes.

And you will post again. You cannot help yourself. You are so desperate for attention in any shape, manner, or form. Even a bitchslapping is better than nothing, right?
 
You mean, like chasing "Smashy" around the globe?

Shhhh! You're not supposed to notice that nessie's a raving hypocrite, whose acts contradict his words on a daily basis.

Make that, you're somehow not supposed to notice, although I can't imagine how.
 
I have noticed a great many complaints on this site about people posting anti-Semitic propaganda on Indymedia. This is good. People should complain, loud and long . Anti-Semitic propaganda doesn't belong on Indymedia.

However, I have also noticed a dearth of complaints about the far, far more prevalent, and equally racist, anti-Arab propaganda that appears on Indymedia. Why is this? Do you people believe that while bad mouthing Jews, is totally unacceptable, bad mouthing Arabs is perfectly alright? Or is it just an honest oversight?
 
I have noticed a great many complaints on IMC sites about people posting anti-Arab propaganda on Indymedia. This is good. People should complain, loud and long . Anti-Arab propaganda doesn't belong on Indymedia.

However, I have also noticed a dearth of complaints about the far, far more prevalent, and equally racist, anti-Semtic propaganda that appears on Indymedia. Why is this? Do you people believe that while bad mouthing Arabs, is totally unacceptable, bad mouthing Jews is perfectly alright? Or is it just an honest oversight?
 
Once again they demonstrate what fundamentally dishonest people they are:

http://www.sfimc.net/news/2002/12/1555696_comment.php#1692248


(snip)

Sometimes they take something that an anti-Zionist has written, subtly alter its meaning by changing a few words, and post it under the name of the original author.

(snip)
 
Sometimes they take something that a rabid Jew hater has scrivened and post it verbatim under the name of the original mental cripple.
 
That why they ignore us.
 
Sybil's scorecard, so far:

sf-imcista
so predictable
bunk logic
heard it before
not real name
a bunch of complete fools
still waiting
see what I mean?
keeping track
doing it right
 
>bad mouthing Jews is perfectly alright?

That depends which Jew. Some Jews are wrong to bad mouth because they don't deserve it, while other Jews are wrong not to bad mouth because they do deserve it. This is equally true of non Jews. Some non Jews are wrong to bad mouth. Other non Jews are wrong not to bad mouth. The determining factor is not Jewishness, or lack there of, but individual behavior. Some behavior deserves to be bad mouthed, some doesn't. No one deserves to be bad mouth simply because they are a Jew, or because they are a non Jew.

Only racists decide whether to bad mouth a person on the basis of whether that person is a Jew or a not. Non racists decide who to bad mouth on the basis of whether or not that individual's behavior deserves bad mouthing.

Only racists divide the world into Jews and non Jews. Non racists treat Jews and non Jews equally.

Let's take a poll. Does anybody reading this believe that Jews and non Jews should be treated equally? Show of hands, please.
 
Sybil's scorecard, so far:

sf-imcista
so predictable
bunk logic
heard it before
not real name
a bunch of complete fools
still waiting
see what I mean?
keeping track
non racist
 
We can take that as a "no" from OHMSS. How about the rest of you? Do any of you think Jews shold be treated as equals? Inquiring minds want to know.
 
Add "not surprised" to the list of nessie's sock puppets. The poor raving antisemite just can't get anyone to take him seriously, can he.
 
Incidentally, VanIndy just keeps getting deader and deader.

http://ender.indymedia.org/?q=tracker

That's only eight posts in a week, comments included. And there's only one comment -- admittedly, that's one more than has appeared on SF-IMC in the last week.

As I've said before, there's a Darwinian process at work here. Sites that actually stick to the IMC principles are doing well. Those that don't are either sinking, like VanIndy, or sunk altogether, like SF-IMC.
 
Sybil's scorecard, so far:

sf-imcista
so predictable
bunk logic
heard it before
not real name
a bunch of complete fools
still waiting
see what I mean?
keeping track
non racist
not surprised
 
We can take that as a "no" from gehrig. How about the rest of you? Do any of you think Jews shold be treated as equals?
 
We can take that as a "no" from nessie. How about the rest of you? Do any of you think Jews shold be treated as inferiors? Inquiring minds want to know.
 
Sybil the terrorist fellator's scorecard, so far:

sf-imcista
so predictable
bunk logic
heard it before
not real name
a bunch of complete fools
still waiting
see what I mean?
keeping track
non racist
not surprised
still wondering
 
>posted by non racist : 12/14/2006 06:25:46 PM

Once again they demonstrate what fundamentally dishonest people they are:

http://www.sfimc.net/news/2002/12/1555696_comment.php#1692248

(snip)

Sometimes they take something that an anti-Zionist has written, subtly alter its meaning by changing a few words, and post it under the name of the original author.

(snip)
 
Sybil the terrorist fellator's scorecard, so far:

sf-imcista
so predictable
bunk logic
heard it before
not real name
a bunch of complete fools
still waiting
see what I mean?
keeping track
non racist
not surprised
still wondering
how typical

*(snip)*
 
So, "nessie" is the only one here who is willing to stand up an be counted among who consider Jews to be equals. How sad, how very, very sad.

It's so last century, too. Come on, people. Get with the program. The war is over. Hitler's dead. Jews are as human as we are.
 
Sybil the terrorist fellator's scorecard, so far:

sf-imcista
so predictable
bunk logic
heard it before
not real name
a bunch of complete fools
still waiting
see what I mean?
keeping track
non racist
not surprised
still wondering
how typical
sad, very sad

*(snip)*
 
So, "nessie" is the only one here who is willing to stand up an [sic] be counted among [sic] who consider Jews to be equals. How sad, how very, very sad.

It's so last century, too. Come on, people. Get with the program. The war is over. Hitler's dead. Jews are as human as we are.


Evidently "nessie" is the only one here who is willing to stand his own pitifulness in persisting in his relentless raving antisemitim. How sad, how very, very sad. Crying giant tears.

It's so last century, too. Come on, "nessie". Get with the program. The Holocaust is over. Hitler's dead. Jews are as human as everyone is.
 
Pinocchio's scorecard, so far:

sf-imcista
so predictable
bunk logic
heard it before
not real name
a bunch of complete fools
still waiting
see what I mean?
keeping track
non racist
not surprised
still wondering
how typical
sad, very sad
history buff
 
There is real anti-Semitic propaganda on Indymedia, published by real anti-Semites. It should be removed immediately from every IMC, as quickly as it is done on SF-IMC.

There is even more fake anti-Semitic propaganda on Indymedia, published by Zionists to make Indymedia look bad. It, too, should be removed.

However, both of them put together are a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of anti-Arab propaganda on Indymedia.

So, I ask again, why does nobody on this website complain about it?

Last time I asked, people changed the subject. Why?

Why is no one here willing to try to explain why anti-Semitic propaganda bothers people here, but anti-Arab propaganda does not?

These are not rhetorical questions. Your readers deserve an honest answer.
 
It should be removed immediately from every IMC, as quickly as it is done on SF-IMC.

This from someone who took an entire year before banning Wendy Campbell, kicking and screaming the entire way, doing everything in his power to change the subject whenever Wendy Campbell's antisemitism was pointed out.

You have no credibility on the antisemitism issue, nessie. None. That's just one of the reasons that that smoking wreck of a former IMC you run is such a joke.

By the way, I notice that comments on your site are still busted. I'd be happy to set you up a new site. Just ask. Or else sit rationalizing in the corner and grumbling about Thuuh Zionists, the way you usually do.
 
There is even more fake anti-Semitic propaganda on Indymedia, published by Zionists to make Indymedia look bad.

You know, I'll bet you even believe that, that the constant stream of antisemitism posted on the IMCs is really primarily just a Jew, sorry, Zionist plot.

You're a disgusting creature, nessie. No wonder you took your nym from a slime-dwelling freak of nature.
 
>This from someone who took an entire year before banning Wendy Campbell

As has has been explained repeatedly, the proposal to ban all racist propaganda, gehrig and Wendy included, was blocked by a Zionist mole named Peter. Zionists only want to ban *one* form of racist propaganda. They would rather see anti-Semitic propaganda appear on a site than to not be able to post their own propaganda.

This is a racist position. If you aren't opposed to all forms of racism, you aren't opposed to racism. Of you aren't opposed to racism, you're a racist.

One side effect of the SF-Indybay split was that Peter went with Indybay. Immediately, the SF-IMC crew consensed ban racist propaganda. Wendy and gehrig were banned the next day.



>By the way, I notice that comments on your site are still busted.

They're not "busted." They're turned off to prevent abuse by people like gehrig and his friends. SF-IMC is a news service, not a debate club. Want to debate? Walk over to the student union and engage a couple of sophomores. Want hard news, cogent analysis, and no bullsh*t? Click here:

http://sf.indymedia.org


>I'd be happy to set you up a new site.

I'm sure he would. It would give him access to the IPs of all our posters. Who would he share them with? Let's not find out.
 
Pinocchio's scorecard, so far:

sf-imcista
so predictable
bunk logic
heard it before
not real name
a bunch of complete fools
still waiting
see what I mean?
keeping track
non racist
not surprised
still wondering
how typical
sad, very sad
history buff
for the record
a racist is a racist is a racist
 
>Who would he share them with?

Perhaps gehrig would care to enlighten us about his relationship with Alex Rubenstein.
 
As has has been explained repeatedly, the proposal to ban all racist propaganda, gehrig and Wendy included, was blocked by a Zionist mole named Peter. Zionists only want to ban *one* form of racist propaganda. They would rather see anti-Semitic propaganda appear on a site than to not be able to post their own propaganda.

Setting aside the laughable mendacious tripe evident above in nessie's blather, I'd like to add that Wendy Campbell wasn't banned for read that same day. 'Nessie' kept allowing her to post a few more days until a big fuss was made about this at a discussion in UC-IMC concerning David Gehrig's banishment which 'nessie' couldn't bring himself to ignore any longer. Expect the next lie in nessie's batch. He's crafted one to try and dismiss my claim.
 
>Wendy Campbell wasn't banned for read that same day

What really happened is we missed a handful on the first pass, and had to go back and get them on a second pass. We rely on our readers to help with this sort of thing. That's the Indymedia way.

There may even still be a few that we missed that nobody has noticed yet. The site is huge. It's easy to overlook details. The further back before the split you dig, the more crap you find. Please help us deal with it.

If you find any Wendy's or gehrig's crap we missed, or any racist propaganda whatsoever, or anything that is factually incorrect, just drop us an email including the URL, and we'll deal with it ASAP.

We can be reached at:

sf@indymedia.org

Thanks in advance.
 
What really happened is we missed a handful on the first pass

What really happened is that you ignored warning after warning on the first pass because you had your head up your ass on the antisemitism issue, convinced that my claims of antisemitism were spurious, and then Wendy Campbell went and did a terrible thing: she proved that I was right and you were wrong. And the blow to your ego was so painful that you, in a single post, banned her for being wrong and me for being right.

You can't pretend you "missed" what you went out of your way to ignore. The evidence is more than clear. You failed to see what you chose to be blind to.

And that's why you've got zero credibility on the antisemitism issue. It's because anybody with eyes can see the extraordinary lengths you went to to deny Wendy Campbell's antisemitism and repeatedly, repeatedly sweep the issue under the rug over the period of a year -- only to make the vapid, transparent excuse that you suddenly decided to ban Wendy because she had suddenly veered into antisemitic discourse.
 
Perhaps gehrig would care to enlighten us about his relationship with Alex Rubenstein.

Sure. I'll tell you everything I know about Alex Rubenstein. I first heard the name about two minutes ago. About thirty seconds ago I googled him and found out that he was a lawyer in Shreveport, LA.

You now know everything I know about Alex Rubenstein. Thanks for asking. Is there anybody else I've never heard of you'd like me to google for? Or else explain what it is I'm supposed to know or not know about some goy named Alex Rubenstein?
 
>Alex Rubenstein

You mean *this* Alex Rubenstein?

http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?whoistoken=0


(snip)

Rubenstein, Alex **

(snip)
 
All I get is an error message.

'We are unable to process your request at this time. Please try again later.'

hmm, little obtuse there Nessie.
 
Yeah, nessie, you're going to have to do better than that. Who's Alex Rubenstein, and why am I supposed to care?
 
>only to make the vapid, transparent excuse that you suddenly decided to ban Wendy because she had suddenly veered into antisemitic discourse

This guy must take you for complete fools. All you have to do is scroll up this very page to see that is not even close to what I said.

Really, just click here and see for yourself:

http://indymediawatch.blogspot.com/2006/12/vancouver-indymedia-served.html#116629403437439570
 
>little obtuse

To you, maybe.
 
"To you, maybe."

Indeed it is.

Faruque Ahmed believes Jews are responsible for Sydney Media being offline.

Maybe he's right, maybe Alex is Head of the International Jew
Error Message Conspiracy (HIJEMC).

That would explain all the "Jew Sabatage" or "Jewbatage" on SFIMC. Maybe that is why there are no comments at SFIMC (the only news service in the world other than The Onion that doesn't publish readers letters or comments).
 
This guy must take you for complete fools.

You mean *this* guy?

sf-imcista
so predictable
bunk logic
heard it before
not real name
a bunch of complete fools
still waiting
see what I mean?
keeping track
non racist
not surprised
still wondering
how typical
sad, very sad
history buff
for the record
a racist is a racist is a racist
gehrig: wrong again (as usual)
aka
snother zionist lie
probably not
quote of the day
 
Attention

Most of these comments are completely off-topic and their content of little meaning to anybody other than 1-2 people writing and responding to them.

Do think about this before hitting submit.
 
Back to the topic:

Other than this thread, is there anywhere else we can look for confirmation that Vanindy was actually served?
 
Fact checker wrote:

"Other than this thread, is there anywhere else we can look for confirmation that Vanindy was actually served?"

I'm Harry Abrams, the complainant in
Harry Abrams V. Indymedia.

To date, the only news I have is confirmation that the respondent, Mr. Scott Nelson has been "served." I haven't been notified of any response to the Canadian Human Rights Commission, even though he's asked to respond by December 8.

Here are some recent Tribunal decisions concerning internet hate in Canada, including bulletin board-type postings:

There were several decisions in 2006, with Richard Warman as the complainant.

http://www.chrt-tcdp.gc.ca/tribunal/index_e.asp?filter=year
 
So we have to take Harry Abrams' word for it?
 
So we have to take Harry Abrams' word for it?

I am sure you could also contact the Commission and do your own research.
 
To show proof of one's public allegations is the job of the journalist, not the reader.
 
To show proof of one's public allegations is the job of the journalist, not the reader.

Perhaps you could save your preaching for Indymedia, who claim to be a news media source, rather than me, who is running a blog and making no such claim.

Moreover, I've provided you with copies of the documents - something a newspaper would be unlikely to do in order to save space. What more do you want me to do?
 
That wasn't an answer. That was a sidestep. Do you have more than one source for the allegation, or don't you?

No single source can ever be trusted. Documents can be easily forged. There is no more reason to trust this site than to trust Indymedia, or for that matter, to trust corporate media.
 
That wasn't an answer. That was a sidestep.

No, it was a perfectly valid answer. That you are not happy with it, does not change that.

Do you have more than one source for the allegation, or don't you?

As I said, to your dismay, you are more than welcome to contact the Commission as I am happy to correct my report when new facts come to light. Thus far, they have not.

I assume you will treat the Commission's answer with the same skepticism? It may help if you wear tinfoil while ringing them.

No single source can ever be trusted.

What a simplistic, undergraduate opinion. Trust is earned, applied, lost and measured on a case-by-case basis and assigned by the reader.

There are some websites, publications, newspapers and people who I trust implicitly, and who have earned my trust and respect. There are others I don't trust.

There is no more reason to trust this site than to trust Indymedia, or for that matter, to trust corporate media.

I'm sorry you feel that way about this site.

As I have said all along, corporate media has got major problems of reliability, accuracy and bias.

Indymedia could be the antidote to this, however is instead, a far worse source of all of these problems.

Moreover, much of the mainstream media recognize these problems, even if they sometimes choose to do nothing about it - handling complaints, providing contact details and accountability.

As well as which, they can be sued where libel is determined by an independent third-party (the courts).

By contrast, Indymedia in many cases refuses to even consider it has a problem, much less provide any accountability for it.

This denial speaks volumes.
 
As a person who has had hate literature written about them as well as my address and photos posted.. I am happy to read that Human Rights has taken steps to put right what has gone awry. It is about time, I have made complaints via the police and was told they could do nothing about it. Several people on my behalf had made complaints, it was a year or more before the postings were hidden. I don't think the problem is only here though, most indy sites have similar problems, free speech does not mean defamation of character, slamming someone or racial slander.
If intelligence presided with thorough clear precise thoughts, I would not have a problem. My hope is for intelligence to reign, and not anger. Keep one foot in the other person's life while you write, may you one day never be on the receiving end of someone's hatred.
 
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