Indy Media Watch

" you've seen in another recent thread how some people will defend complete Jew-hating Mein-Kampf-minus-the-swastikas crap if it makes them feel all resistence-y and anti-censorship-like and striking a blow against the conventional wisdom just like David Irving pats himself on the back for doing."

Your bias is showing heavily here. I think it may well be a step too far for some.

As will the fact that it is impossible to examine a powerful political lobby because to do so resonates with anti-semnitic tropes.

I'm against you using your ideological bias to effect censorship on the IMC network Mr. Gehrig. You can be the cheerleader for dead Iranians and more dead Iraqis and Palestinians.

I personally think its time it stopped.
 

I'm against you using your ideological bias to effect censorship on the IMC network Mr. Gehrig. You can be the cheerleader for dead Iranians and more dead Iraqis and Palestinians.

Note the oxymoronic nature of....well, a Brown Shirted moron.

And please, somebody tell me that this isn't a hoax.
 

While I believe that Indymedia is a failed project, I have problems with Canadian law that says they should be brought to try for “discrimination”. Any type of speech of law limiting speech is a bad idea. Holding them accountable when they slander and libel, I can dig that.
 

In the interest of fairness, what's the source of those pictures? The link to the Commission site is just to the front page, and the site shows nothing if you put "Indymedia" in a search.
 

I think you are a complete twat "On Her Majesty's Butcher's Apron Service"

I don't think you've got one decent bone in your body Nazi boy.

Come ahead and engage...nancy boy :)
 

Still love you all by the way.
Big kisses all round
 

I appreciate the update, Watcher.
 

>Organizations like AIPAC would not be powerful if Israel didn't have broad, wide, and deep support among the American population, Jew and non-Jew.

And organizations like the NSDAP would not have been so powerful if the Third Reich hadn't had broad, wide, and deep support among the Axis population, Aryan and non-Aryan.

So what? That didn't make the Nazis be any less the evil, racist scum than they were. To imply otherwise is to indulge in logical fallacy, specifically an argumentum ad populum. It's a trick. Don't fall for it.
 

to indulge in logical fallacy

And where would we be without "experts" on logic?

http://pittsburgh.indymedia.org/news/2006/12/25408_comment.php#25463
 

>"experts"

Sneer quotes, yet another ad hominem.
 

>that was an ad hominem too.

Indeed it was. And if gehrig expects anyone to ever believe any of his incessant prattle about the alleged anti-Semitism of "nessie," he would cite at least one URL to back it up. He hasn't and he wont, because he can't. There aren't any.

What's more, gehrig himself is a virulent racist himself. Pro-Semitism is every bit as racist as anti-Semitism. Anyone who believes that any ethnic group should be treated differently is a racist by definition. Whether that ethnic group is Jews, Aryans, Serbs, Hutus or whatever, is completely and totally irrelevant. A racist is a racist is a racist. All ethnic nationalism is racist by definition. Calling its critics names does not change this one iota.
 

Pro-Semitism is every bit as racist as anti-Semitism

Uh, dude, there is no such thing as "Semitism" and you are making words up.

Many scholars have dropped the hyphen from "anti-Semitism" (to create "antisemitism") simply to avoid confusing fools such as yourself who believe there is a Semitism to be anti toward.

Look into the history of the term antisemitism to understand its origin, and consequently how deluded you are. The term has only ever referred to Jews. Not "semites", Jews.

Somehow I doubt your opinion will change in the presence of mere facts however.
 

Sneer quotes, yet another ad hominem.

*snicker*
 

Evidently Lee Doyle a.k.a. nessie has now descended to the childish mimicry of someone else's phrasing style to make his point. He never tires of sinking to a new low.
 

More yammity, still no, "Jews have exactly the same rights and responsibilities as non Jews, and should be treated exactly the same way."

Why can this guy not bring himself to declare that Jews have a right to be treated as equals? Could it be that, like Hitler before him, he believes that Jews are a special case? If not, why doesn't he just come out and say so.
 

It wasn't a question. It was a statement. Gehrig can be considered a racist until we hear him say, "Jews have exactly the same rights and responsibilities as non Jews, and should be treated exactly the same way."

>you're . . . a waste of time.

I he honestly believes this, and it's not just another lie told for effect, why does he spend so much time chasing "nessie" around the network like a love sick puppy? Does he *like* wasting time, or what?
 

like a love sick puppy?

You mean, like chasing "Smashy" around the globe?

Remember where you're at, nessie. Your constant appearance at *this* site speaks volumes.

And you will post again. You cannot help yourself. You are so desperate for attention in any shape, manner, or form. Even a bitchslapping is better than nothing, right?
 

I have noticed a great many complaints on this site about people posting anti-Semitic propaganda on Indymedia. This is good. People should complain, loud and long . Anti-Semitic propaganda doesn't belong on Indymedia.

However, I have also noticed a dearth of complaints about the far, far more prevalent, and equally racist, anti-Arab propaganda that appears on Indymedia. Why is this? Do you people believe that while bad mouthing Jews, is totally unacceptable, bad mouthing Arabs is perfectly alright? Or is it just an honest oversight?
 

I have noticed a great many complaints on IMC sites about people posting anti-Arab propaganda on Indymedia. This is good. People should complain, loud and long . Anti-Arab propaganda doesn't belong on Indymedia.

However, I have also noticed a dearth of complaints about the far, far more prevalent, and equally racist, anti-Semtic propaganda that appears on Indymedia. Why is this? Do you people believe that while bad mouthing Arabs, is totally unacceptable, bad mouthing Jews is perfectly alright? Or is it just an honest oversight?
 

Once again they demonstrate what fundamentally dishonest people they are:

http://www.sfimc.net/news/2002/12/1555696_comment.php#1692248


(snip)

Sometimes they take something that an anti-Zionist has written, subtly alter its meaning by changing a few words, and post it under the name of the original author.

(snip)
 

Sometimes they take something that a rabid Jew hater has scrivened and post it verbatim under the name of the original mental cripple.
 

That why they ignore us.
 

Sybil's scorecard, so far:

sf-imcista
so predictable
bunk logic
heard it before
not real name
a bunch of complete fools
still waiting
see what I mean?
keeping track
doing it right
 

>bad mouthing Jews is perfectly alright?

That depends which Jew. Some Jews are wrong to bad mouth because they don't deserve it, while other Jews are wrong not to bad mouth because they do deserve it. This is equally true of non Jews. Some non Jews are wrong to bad mouth. Other non Jews are wrong not to bad mouth. The determining factor is not Jewishness, or lack there of, but individual behavior. Some behavior deserves to be bad mouthed, some doesn't. No one deserves to be bad mouth simply because they are a Jew, or because they are a non Jew.

Only racists decide whether to bad mouth a person on the basis of whether that person is a Jew or a not. Non racists decide who to bad mouth on the basis of whether or not that individual's behavior deserves bad mouthing.

Only racists divide the world into Jews and non Jews. Non racists treat Jews and non Jews equally.

Let's take a poll. Does anybody reading this believe that Jews and non Jews should be treated equally? Show of hands, please.
 

Sybil's scorecard, so far:

sf-imcista
so predictable
bunk logic
heard it before
not real name
a bunch of complete fools
still waiting
see what I mean?
keeping track
non racist
 

We can take that as a "no" from OHMSS. How about the rest of you? Do any of you think Jews shold be treated as equals? Inquiring minds want to know.
 

Sybil's scorecard, so far:

sf-imcista
so predictable
bunk logic
heard it before
not real name
a bunch of complete fools
still waiting
see what I mean?
keeping track
non racist
not surprised
 

We can take that as a "no" from gehrig. How about the rest of you? Do any of you think Jews shold be treated as equals?
 

We can take that as a "no" from nessie. How about the rest of you? Do any of you think Jews shold be treated as inferiors? Inquiring minds want to know.
 

Sybil the terrorist fellator's scorecard, so far:

sf-imcista
so predictable
bunk logic
heard it before
not real name
a bunch of complete fools
still waiting
see what I mean?
keeping track
non racist
not surprised
still wondering
 

>posted by non racist : 12/14/2006 06:25:46 PM

Once again they demonstrate what fundamentally dishonest people they are:

http://www.sfimc.net/news/2002/12/1555696_comment.php#1692248

(snip)

Sometimes they take something that an anti-Zionist has written, subtly alter its meaning by changing a few words, and post it under the name of the original author.

(snip)
 

Sybil the terrorist fellator's scorecard, so far:

sf-imcista
so predictable
bunk logic
heard it before
not real name
a bunch of complete fools
still waiting
see what I mean?
keeping track
non racist
not surprised
still wondering
how typical

*(snip)*
 

So, "nessie" is the only one here who is willing to stand up an be counted among who consider Jews to be equals. How sad, how very, very sad.

It's so last century, too. Come on, people. Get with the program. The war is over. Hitler's dead. Jews are as human as we are.
 

Sybil the terrorist fellator's scorecard, so far:

sf-imcista
so predictable
bunk logic
heard it before
not real name
a bunch of complete fools
still waiting
see what I mean?
keeping track
non racist
not surprised
still wondering
how typical
sad, very sad

*(snip)*
 

So, "nessie" is the only one here who is willing to stand up an [sic] be counted among [sic] who consider Jews to be equals. How sad, how very, very sad.

It's so last century, too. Come on, people. Get with the program. The war is over. Hitler's dead. Jews are as human as we are.

Evidently "nessie" is the only one here who is willing to stand his own pitifulness in persisting in his relentless raving antisemitim. How sad, how very, very sad. Crying giant tears.

It's so last century, too. Come on, "nessie". Get with the program. The Holocaust is over. Hitler's dead. Jews are as human as everyone is.
 

Pinocchio's scorecard, so far:

sf-imcista
so predictable
bunk logic
heard it before
not real name
a bunch of complete fools
still waiting
see what I mean?
keeping track
non racist
not surprised
still wondering
how typical
sad, very sad
history buff
 

There is real anti-Semitic propaganda on Indymedia, published by real anti-Semites. It should be removed immediately from every IMC, as quickly as it is done on SF-IMC.

There is even more fake anti-Semitic propaganda on Indymedia, published by Zionists to make Indymedia look bad. It, too, should be removed.

However, both of them put together are a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of anti-Arab propaganda on Indymedia.

So, I ask again, why does nobody on this website complain about it?

Last time I asked, people changed the subject. Why?

Why is no one here willing to try to explain why anti-Semitic propaganda bothers people here, but anti-Arab propaganda does not?

These are not rhetorical questions. Your readers deserve an honest answer.
 

>This from someone who took an entire year before banning Wendy Campbell

As has has been explained repeatedly, the proposal to ban all racist propaganda, gehrig and Wendy included, was blocked by a Zionist mole named Peter. Zionists only want to ban *one* form of racist propaganda. They would rather see anti-Semitic propaganda appear on a site than to not be able to post their own propaganda.

This is a racist position. If you aren't opposed to all forms of racism, you aren't opposed to racism. Of you aren't opposed to racism, you're a racist.

One side effect of the SF-Indybay split was that Peter went with Indybay. Immediately, the SF-IMC crew consensed ban racist propaganda. Wendy and gehrig were banned the next day.



>By the way, I notice that comments on your site are still busted.

They're not "busted." They're turned off to prevent abuse by people like gehrig and his friends. SF-IMC is a news service, not a debate club. Want to debate? Walk over to the student union and engage a couple of sophomores. Want hard news, cogent analysis, and no bullsh*t? Click here:

http://sf.indymedia.org


>I'd be happy to set you up a new site.

I'm sure he would. It would give him access to the IPs of all our posters. Who would he share them with? Let's not find out.
 

Pinocchio's scorecard, so far:

sf-imcista
so predictable
bunk logic
heard it before
not real name
a bunch of complete fools
still waiting
see what I mean?
keeping track
non racist
not surprised
still wondering
how typical
sad, very sad
history buff
for the record
a racist is a racist is a racist
 

>Who would he share them with?

Perhaps gehrig would care to enlighten us about his relationship with Alex Rubenstein.
 

As has has been explained repeatedly, the proposal to ban all racist propaganda, gehrig and Wendy included, was blocked by a Zionist mole named Peter. Zionists only want to ban *one* form of racist propaganda. They would rather see anti-Semitic propaganda appear on a site than to not be able to post their own propaganda.

Setting aside the laughable mendacious tripe evident above in nessie's blather, I'd like to add that Wendy Campbell wasn't banned for read that same day. 'Nessie' kept allowing her to post a few more days until a big fuss was made about this at a discussion in UC-IMC concerning David Gehrig's banishment which 'nessie' couldn't bring himself to ignore any longer. Expect the next lie in nessie's batch. He's crafted one to try and dismiss my claim.
 

>Wendy Campbell wasn't banned for read that same day

What really happened is we missed a handful on the first pass, and had to go back and get them on a second pass. We rely on our readers to help with this sort of thing. That's the Indymedia way.

There may even still be a few that we missed that nobody has noticed yet. The site is huge. It's easy to overlook details. The further back before the split you dig, the more crap you find. Please help us deal with it.

If you find any Wendy's or gehrig's crap we missed, or any racist propaganda whatsoever, or anything that is factually incorrect, just drop us an email including the URL, and we'll deal with it ASAP.

We can be reached at:

sf@indymedia.org

Thanks in advance.
 

>Alex Rubenstein

You mean *this* Alex Rubenstein?

http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?whoistoken=0


(snip)

Rubenstein, Alex **

(snip)
 

All I get is an error message.

'We are unable to process your request at this time. Please try again later.'

hmm, little obtuse there Nessie.
 

>only to make the vapid, transparent excuse that you suddenly decided to ban Wendy because she had suddenly veered into antisemitic discourse

This guy must take you for complete fools. All you have to do is scroll up this very page to see that is not even close to what I said.

Really, just click here and see for yourself:

http://indymediawatch.blogspot.com/2006/12/vancouver-indymedia-served.html#116629403437439570
 

>little obtuse

To you, maybe.
 

"To you, maybe."

Indeed it is.

Faruque Ahmed believes Jews are responsible for Sydney Media being offline.

Maybe he's right, maybe Alex is Head of the International Jew
Error Message Conspiracy (HIJEMC).

That would explain all the "Jew Sabatage" or "Jewbatage" on SFIMC. Maybe that is why there are no comments at SFIMC (the only news service in the world other than The Onion that doesn't publish readers letters or comments).
 

This guy must take you for complete fools.

You mean *this* guy?

sf-imcista
so predictable
bunk logic
heard it before
not real name
a bunch of complete fools
still waiting
see what I mean?
keeping track
non racist
not surprised
still wondering
how typical
sad, very sad
history buff
for the record
a racist is a racist is a racist
gehrig: wrong again (as usual)
aka
snother zionist lie
probably not
quote of the day
 

Attention

Most of these comments are completely off-topic and their content of little meaning to anybody other than 1-2 people writing and responding to them.

Do think about this before hitting submit.
 

Back to the topic:

Other than this thread, is there anywhere else we can look for confirmation that Vanindy was actually served?
 

Fact checker wrote:

"Other than this thread, is there anywhere else we can look for confirmation that Vanindy was actually served?"

I'm Harry Abrams, the complainant in
Harry Abrams V. Indymedia.

To date, the only news I have is confirmation that the respondent, Mr. Scott Nelson has been "served." I haven't been notified of any response to the Canadian Human Rights Commission, even though he's asked to respond by December 8.

Here are some recent Tribunal decisions concerning internet hate in Canada, including bulletin board-type postings:

There were several decisions in 2006, with Richard Warman as the complainant.

http://www.chrt-tcdp.gc.ca/tribunal/index_e.asp?filter=year
 

So we have to take Harry Abrams' word for it?
 

So we have to take Harry Abrams' word for it?

I am sure you could also contact the Commission and do your own research.
 

To show proof of one's public allegations is the job of the journalist, not the reader.
 

To show proof of one's public allegations is the job of the journalist, not the reader.

Perhaps you could save your preaching for Indymedia, who claim to be a news media source, rather than me, who is running a blog and making no such claim.

Moreover, I've provided you with copies of the documents - something a newspaper would be unlikely to do in order to save space. What more do you want me to do?
 

That wasn't an answer. That was a sidestep. Do you have more than one source for the allegation, or don't you?

No single source can ever be trusted. Documents can be easily forged. There is no more reason to trust this site than to trust Indymedia, or for that matter, to trust corporate media.
 

That wasn't an answer. That was a sidestep.

No, it was a perfectly valid answer. That you are not happy with it, does not change that.

Do you have more than one source for the allegation, or don't you?

As I said, to your dismay, you are more than welcome to contact the Commission as I am happy to correct my report when new facts come to light. Thus far, they have not.

I assume you will treat the Commission's answer with the same skepticism? It may help if you wear tinfoil while ringing them.

No single source can ever be trusted.

What a simplistic, undergraduate opinion. Trust is earned, applied, lost and measured on a case-by-case basis and assigned by the reader.

There are some websites, publications, newspapers and people who I trust implicitly, and who have earned my trust and respect. There are others I don't trust.

There is no more reason to trust this site than to trust Indymedia, or for that matter, to trust corporate media.

I'm sorry you feel that way about this site.

As I have said all along, corporate media has got major problems of reliability, accuracy and bias.

Indymedia could be the antidote to this, however is instead, a far worse source of all of these problems.

Moreover, much of the mainstream media recognize these problems, even if they sometimes choose to do nothing about it - handling complaints, providing contact details and accountability.

As well as which, they can be sued where libel is determined by an independent third-party (the courts).

By contrast, Indymedia in many cases refuses to even consider it has a problem, much less provide any accountability for it.

This denial speaks volumes.
 

As a person who has had hate literature written about them as well as my address and photos posted.. I am happy to read that Human Rights has taken steps to put right what has gone awry. It is about time, I have made complaints via the police and was told they could do nothing about it. Several people on my behalf had made complaints, it was a year or more before the postings were hidden. I don't think the problem is only here though, most indy sites have similar problems, free speech does not mean defamation of character, slamming someone or racial slander.
If intelligence presided with thorough clear precise thoughts, I would not have a problem. My hope is for intelligence to reign, and not anger. Keep one foot in the other person's life while you write, may you one day never be on the receiving end of someone's hatred.