Saturday, April 23, 2005


Down the Memory Plug Hole

Bay Area Indymedia has run a hugely 'commented' piece linking to the Fox TV story about 9-11 Israeli Spy activity in the U.S..

It is claimed Fox has now removed all traces of it from their website and is part of some conspiracy to change history. Ha-ha, not so fast, cries "", we have an archive copy for you to download.

And they do.

If you bother to download and watch it however, you'll see it completely undermines the argument of the people who are holding it up as (get this): damning "circumstantial evidence" of Israeli complicity in 9/11.

As with most of these things, the article rebukes itself and I need not bother. Certainly others have alread done so in the comments on the page. What amazes me however is the thought process people use in concocting an argument and then insisting they can prove it. See my earlier report on proving conspiracy theories.

From the video:
"Since September 11th, more than sixty Israelis have been arrested or detained either under the new Patriot anti-terrorism law or for immigration violations"
Therefore, according to some people, this is "circumstantial evidence" which proves their theory Israel was secretly responsible for 9/11.

On the other hand, I wonder how many Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Italians (and don't get me started on Arabs and anti-terrorism laws) have also been detained for immigration violations?

Then there's the frustrating issue of Osama Bin Laden's admission of guilt in 9/11. This is of course summarily dismissed by some as wonderfully demonstrated in this cartoon.

Back to the video:
"A handful of active Israeli military were among those detained according to investigators who say some of the detainess also failed polygraph tests when asked about alleged surveillance activities against and in the United States"
It's important to define Israeli Military involvement according to Israeli law.

The reason, is that law which states:
"person designated for defence service" means an Israel
national, or a permanent resident, who has not yet
reported for defence service and is of an age as
specified hereunder:

(1) in the case of a male person - any age from
eighteen to fifty-four years;

(2) in the case of a female person - any age from
eighteen to fifty-four years.
has in some cases been interpreted by terrorists to mean that almost anyone in Israel is a military target and therefore, blowing up a busload of thirty-something pregnant women at the local supermarket does not therefore make the perpetrator a terrorist.

Alternatively, active Israeli Military could mean anyone aged between 18-21. Now why on earth might anyone of that age be travelling around the world I hear you ask? Coming soon: "Wild On: Israeli Spies at Beach Resorts" It doesn't matter anyway, the video then says:
"There is no indication that the Israelis were involved in the 9/11 attacks"

Gee... No surprise there.
"But investigators suggest the Israelis may have gathered information about the attacks in advance and not shared it"
Leaving aside the question of "what exactly would have been done anyway", at the very end of the video, the reporter mentions: "A bigger question they [investigators] say is, how could they not have known?"

Hello? You could say precisely the same about the US Government. Something or other to do with the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Centre? Intelligence Shocker: Some Arabs may be planning terrorist attacks.

Of course none of that would help you prove an antisemitic conspiracy though.

It then goes on to talk about claims Israelis were spying on Arab suspects who the US was also spying on "for links to terrorism". I for one can't imagine why Israel would want to gather information about terrorists, but if there is spy activity within the US (which according to the report Israel denies) there is no evidence to suggest it is against US interests, rather terrorists. Good! Whilst later raising several questions of technological and economic espionage (which lets face it make for interesting tabloid headlines), the Fox piece essentially supports this argument.

In other words, the piece says there is some suggestion of things, which was ultimately dismissed, like the Israelis who were rounded up, questioned and released.

So what?

In an attempt to grandly prove something, someone on Indymedia was so busy gloating and caught up in conspiracy theories about media suppression, they were dumb enough to link to source material which largely disproves it.

Newsflash: It's a 24 hour news station. There's lot's of stuff Fox News stop carrying on their website, like everything from over a week ago. Damned Jewish media control!!!

Enjoy sucking up Indybay's bandwidth...

>Alternatively, active Israeli Military could mean anyone aged between 18-21. Now why on earth might anyone of that age be travelling around the world I hear you ask?<

Beyond the fact that outside the US internatonal travel is a right of passage to many, many of them likely don't want to be in the army. I mean would you want to deal with what the IDF has to deal with daily?
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