Tuesday, February 22, 2005
- School plays national anthem.
- Student remains seated.
- Teacher tells student to stand.
- Student refuses.
- Teacher repeats request three times.
- Student remains seated.
- Teacher pulls chair out from under student while other student captures whole thing on convenient video camera.
These are all terms being used in this article and subsequent comments to describe the teacher.
"What is this a military state? Where do you think you are Nazi Germany (Heil Furor!)"Download the video (and note the kids laughing in the background) of this incident.
This guy looks and acts just like Himmler. Sieg Heil! Hail the Fuhrer!
The student in question (Jay) did not wish his surname to be revealed. Apparently that same courtesy did not apply to the teacher, Mr Mantel whose email address, phone number and other contact details were published so opponents of his actions could 'share their thoughts' with him.
Jay said that he didn't have any political reasons for his refusal to stand but that he wanted to sit because he feels it is his right to do so and that right was being threatened by Mantel. Jay said that he thought Mantel might tell him to stand, but he never expected to be physically forced to do so.Sorry. As soon as he said he had no political reason for doing it, it stopped being a civil rights issue as some of the Indymedia writers insist. When he argues he did it because he thought Mantel "might tell him to stand", it sounds to me like he was simply being a smart-ass.
I think it's fantastic that schoolkids are politically active, especially when they form their own conclusions rather than having them shoved down their throat by teachers (or student organizations). This grossly immature example of 'activism' (i.e. being a smart-ass rebel without a cause) has made the perpetrator a poster-boy for Indymedia. Compare his juvenile antics to this poster boy on the other hand.
Looking back to my friends' grade-school attempts at having teachers fired, suspended or whacked, I must also wonder why someone else just 'happened' to be videoing it for later use.
These no-good civil libertarians are preventing teachers from providing proper education. What about the right of other kids to learn while this smart-arse harasses his teacher?
The students may have been laughing and joking around (which most of us do as kids) but that does not give the teacher the right to pull out the chair from the student
The student was not beaten over the head with the chair, nor as far as I can see was he in any physical danger whatsoever.
Yes the teacher looks like he went to the Ayatollah's school of stress-management, but in relation to the chair, I don't believe he was as monstrous as is being made out. The kid (and his friend) was a smart-ass obviously looking for trouble, and that's where it should have ended.
Unfortunately, it hasn't. I believe however that to make a civil-rights issue out of this non-event however trivializes real civil-rights issues worldwide which frequently won't receive anywhere near as much attention.
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I am more concerned with the hate that is being expressed on Indymedia.
Sure, some may think (as I do) that this is a storm in a teacup or that the student was a provocateur, who got what was coming. Others may strongly disagree with what happened.
Yeah, watcher, I agree with you here. This is an extreme reaction.
Amazing how we can disagree without calling eachother a fascist Nazi, isn't it? ;o)> Unlike some people (IMC) we know.
Teachers should be able to hang a kid if they mess around. Seriously. Especially if they wear hijabs in France and stuff. Rules are rules are rules.
I see a lot of crazy shite on this blog, but refusing to back a teacher who's prepared to smash up some dumb kid is unforgiveable lefty bollocks. Looks like the watcher is taking on the principles of the watched.
If I am taking on the principles of 'the watched' (Indymedia) then I have obviously exposed for too long and must cleanse myself immediately in an acid-bath.
Ugh! The horror. Brrrr...
Ok - This kid is merely being a complete smartass and trying to be cool and impress his friends. The teacher obviously is very patriotic about his country (no idea how old he is) and possibly fought in a war for his country. If that over indulged kid doesnt want to stand for his national anthem which is all he has to do to show his respect for his country that educates him and allows his parents to spoil him senseless then he should show that respect and stand.
As to the "political" side of it. There is nothing political about it. And yes youths showing an interest in politics is a great thing as someone mentioned but this is just absurd